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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2012/10/06/kabes-and-meaurement-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been rowing with 
rowporty since our first skiff was launched in 2010. We currently have 
one boat set up with &#039;free&#039; oars on a pin and kabe system and round 
oars, whilst our other boat now operates on a &#039;restricted&#039; fixed pin 
system with square oars.



Having tried both systems several times a week for several 
months I have observed that our fixed square oar set up makes for a more
 predictable and technically easy row, which is restrictive in terms of 
positioning, is robotic and is less interesting but in which you might 
arguably go faster as you are less likely to make a mistake and are more
 able to &#039;just heave&#039;. 



On the other hand the pin and kabe round oar set up makes for a 
more responsive, challenging, skilfull and, therefore, interesting 
row. Rowers have to totally focus on what their oar is doing, and when 
it all comes together and all four move smoothly &#039;as one&#039; it&#039;s fantastic
 - the boat flies through the water.



I also find the fixed system much harder to do anything quickly 
with, both in terms of getting oars ready to row fast (eg launching in 
surf) or getting them out of the way fast (avoiding an obstacle). I 
think this makes the fixed system more dangerous.



I sincerely hope that SCR, as a fairly new organisation, takes 
these issues into account in considering the development of this 
brilliant sport and leaves us free to challenge ourselves and improve 
our skills and technique and stay interested, whilst allowing teams to 
compete on a level playing field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been rowing with<br />
rowporty since our first skiff was launched in 2010. We currently have<br />
one boat set up with &#8216;free&#8217; oars on a pin and kabe system and round<br />
oars, whilst our other boat now operates on a &#8216;restricted&#8217; fixed pin<br />
system with square oars.</p>
<p>Having tried both systems several times a week for several<br />
months I have observed that our fixed square oar set up makes for a more<br />
 predictable and technically easy row, which is restrictive in terms of<br />
positioning, is robotic and is less interesting but in which you might<br />
arguably go faster as you are less likely to make a mistake and are more<br />
 able to &#8216;just heave&#8217;. </p>
<p>On the other hand the pin and kabe round oar set up makes for a<br />
more responsive, challenging, skilfull and, therefore, interesting<br />
row. Rowers have to totally focus on what their oar is doing, and when<br />
it all comes together and all four move smoothly &#8216;as one&#8217; it&#8217;s fantastic<br />
 &#8211; the boat flies through the water.</p>
<p>I also find the fixed system much harder to do anything quickly<br />
with, both in terms of getting oars ready to row fast (eg launching in<br />
surf) or getting them out of the way fast (avoiding an obstacle). I<br />
think this makes the fixed system more dangerous.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that SCR, as a fairly new organisation, takes<br />
these issues into account in considering the development of this<br />
brilliant sport and leaves us free to challenge ourselves and improve<br />
our skills and technique and stay interested, whilst allowing teams to<br />
compete on a level playing field.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh North Berwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh North Berwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One can buy or make either horseshoe rowlocks or ones with a square cross-section to allow the user to fix the pitch. That could be a matter of preference.
The skiff is built with modern materials sich as plywood and epoxy resin. Why pretend that it is &quot;traditional&quot; to have kabes when rowlocks or oarlocks are the preferred option and have been used successfully for over 100 years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can buy or make either horseshoe rowlocks or ones with a square cross-section to allow the user to fix the pitch. That could be a matter of preference.<br />
The skiff is built with modern materials sich as plywood and epoxy resin. Why pretend that it is &#8220;traditional&#8221; to have kabes when rowlocks or oarlocks are the preferred option and have been used successfully for over 100 years</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Watters</title>
		<link>http://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2012/10/06/kabes-and-meaurement-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Watters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A 60mm dia allows for a pretty lengthy round oar.  A heavy one too.  Believe me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 60mm dia allows for a pretty lengthy round oar.  A heavy one too.  Believe me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mills</title>
		<link>http://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2012/10/06/kabes-and-meaurement-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Hugh,
Is your suggestion that it be a requirement that all skiffs use the same metal rowlocks - or just that they should be allowed for those who prefer to use them?

To answer your question in your reply to John above - metal rowlocks would not be as efficient in many ways as Ullapool&#039;s system (and others&#039; also) because they do not fix the pitch of the oar. The oar is allowed to slip pitchwise in a metal rowlock which is not a good idea if you are trying to be efficient in pulling on the oar.
Also, I think you would be restricted to a round section oar of around 60mm diameter. (I can&#039;t find any bigger than this on internet - but maybe you know of a supplier?) This would consequently limit the length of your oars as a round section does not resist bending stress as efficiently as a rectangular section (for same amount of material).
So... my vote would be against commercial metal rowlocks. (But if others wish to use them - fine by me too.)
Ian (Crail)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugh,<br />
Is your suggestion that it be a requirement that all skiffs use the same metal rowlocks &#8211; or just that they should be allowed for those who prefer to use them?</p>
<p>To answer your question in your reply to John above &#8211; metal rowlocks would not be as efficient in many ways as Ullapool&#8217;s system (and others&#8217; also) because they do not fix the pitch of the oar. The oar is allowed to slip pitchwise in a metal rowlock which is not a good idea if you are trying to be efficient in pulling on the oar.<br />
Also, I think you would be restricted to a round section oar of around 60mm diameter. (I can&#8217;t find any bigger than this on internet &#8211; but maybe you know of a supplier?) This would consequently limit the length of your oars as a round section does not resist bending stress as efficiently as a rectangular section (for same amount of material).<br />
So&#8230; my vote would be against commercial metal rowlocks. (But if others wish to use them &#8211; fine by me too.)<br />
Ian (Crail)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Watters</title>
		<link>http://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2012/10/06/kabes-and-meaurement-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Watters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something to consider for next year&#039;s AGM perhaps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to consider for next year&#8217;s AGM perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh North Berwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh North Berwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All very interesting but not a word about why traditional metal rowlocks may be  &quot;bad&quot;.Why make wooden oarlocks when inexpensive metal ones are inexpensive, effective,efficient,tried and tested and readily available?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very interesting but not a word about why traditional metal rowlocks may be  &#8220;bad&#8221;.Why make wooden oarlocks when inexpensive metal ones are inexpensive, effective,efficient,tried and tested and readily available?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh North berwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh North berwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If metal fittings for the rudder are allowed then why not metal fittings for the oarlocks. The rules are completely arbitrary and metal rowlocks should be permitted as they are widely used as the normal way to operate oars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If metal fittings for the rudder are allowed then why not metal fittings for the oarlocks. The rules are completely arbitrary and metal rowlocks should be permitted as they are widely used as the normal way to operate oars.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh MacKenzie, North Berwick</title>
		<link>http://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2012/10/06/kabes-and-meaurement-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh MacKenzie, North Berwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are TWO quite separate issues here.
(1) You can buy a fine pair of galvanised oarlocks for about £15 per pairwhich satisfy the requirements of being able to retain the oar when rowing, allow feathering and to ship the oar quickly when required.. It is quite appropriate to have metal oarlocks on a traditional boat and indeed many have them. We have been forced into making wooden oarlocks by the St Ayles building regulations which mean that a lot of wasted effort is going into the design of something which already exists.
(2) The question of fixed oars would also be resolved with rowlocks as it would not be difficult to make or buy adjustable collars which would retain the oar in the required position but still allow rapid shipping of the oars.

The current situation is entirely artificial and we should be using the best traditional means of retaining the oars...METAL OARLOCKS!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are TWO quite separate issues here.<br />
(1) You can buy a fine pair of galvanised oarlocks for about £15 per pairwhich satisfy the requirements of being able to retain the oar when rowing, allow feathering and to ship the oar quickly when required.. It is quite appropriate to have metal oarlocks on a traditional boat and indeed many have them. We have been forced into making wooden oarlocks by the St Ayles building regulations which mean that a lot of wasted effort is going into the design of something which already exists.<br />
(2) The question of fixed oars would also be resolved with rowlocks as it would not be difficult to make or buy adjustable collars which would retain the oar in the required position but still allow rapid shipping of the oars.</p>
<p>The current situation is entirely artificial and we should be using the best traditional means of retaining the oars&#8230;METAL OARLOCKS!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robin - (of Pittenweem)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin - (of Pittenweem)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the main features of this summers competition has been the intelligence shared between crews on the beach, all interested in each other&#039;s oarlock gear, and then the subsequent modifications to the boats, and then the talking about how they went.

It&#039;s been nice, that.

Within all of our clubs, some people get their kick on for rowing, some for coxing, some for woodworking, and some for for innovation and design.

Please don&#039;t kill one of my favourite aspects of the sport.  I&#039;m not an innovator or designer myself, but I really love it when those of our club who are turn up with their latest design and explain how they &#039;love it when a plan comes together&#039;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main features of this summers competition has been the intelligence shared between crews on the beach, all interested in each other&#8217;s oarlock gear, and then the subsequent modifications to the boats, and then the talking about how they went.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been nice, that.</p>
<p>Within all of our clubs, some people get their kick on for rowing, some for coxing, some for woodworking, and some for for innovation and design.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t kill one of my favourite aspects of the sport.  I&#8217;m not an innovator or designer myself, but I really love it when those of our club who are turn up with their latest design and explain how they &#8216;love it when a plan comes together&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	--&gt;Hi
everyone,





I
generally agree with RowPorty&#039;s safety concerns: 


Whilst
the safety implications of having fixed oars is not a great
problem at the moment, I feel that in the future it may be.  In my
limited experience of Coastal Rowing races, I have generally noticed
that there is a frantic start (with a possibility of oar clashes in
tricky conditions) after which the race soon becomes mostly a
procession where there is only a fairly slim risk of bad clashes,
even at buoy turns. However, I suspect that our club is not the only
one which intends to spend less time at the back of the fleet next
season and I predict that over the next few years that as standards
improve, the fleet will compress significantly with a much greater
risk of clashes, especially at buoy turns. In that situation, I would
not want to be up against a crew with oars that do not ship readily.
I hear what people say about how easy it is to &#039;ship&#039; the fixed oars,
but I have doubts about how well this can and will be done in the
&#039;heat of battle&#039;. Non fixed oars on the other hand would be much
safer in every respect. I know of no other branch of rowing which
uses completely fixed oars, probably for this reason.





I
disagree greatly with the suggestion that &#039;more competitively
minded&#039; rowers will loose interest if holding the oar at the
correct gearing and pitch is made easier. As John has said, there are
plenty more skills to improve in developing an efficient rowing
stroke to keep us interested. I see no disadvantage whatsoever in
making rowing &#039;easier&#039;. Although one member of our crack under 11
squad did comment that he would find it harder to set a rhythm
without the clonking sound of oar on kabe! (He will soon learn the
joys of listening for the gentle splosh of a unified catch.)





Feathering
– I personally think nothing should change here and it should be
allowed where clubs wish to use it. (As in every other branch of
rowing.)





It seems
that next season many clubs intend changing to the pin/fixed oar
system currently used by Coigach etc. I have been looking forward to
using my own ingenuity to develop a system which has the benefit of
the reduced friction of the pins, but still holds the oar at a fixed
gearing and pitch whilst allowing the oars to be shipped when
required. Ie: an adaption of the oars with stops (which are a
substitute for the &#039;buttons&#039; described by Topher) which we already
use with our kabes. It is this experimental aspect of the St Ayles
Skiff that makes the whole thing so interesting.

I agree
with the ethos that everything should be made of timber and hand
crafted by  members of the clubs. Preferably with easily obtainable
and affordable materials. 


If there
are likely to be restrictions imposed, (aimed at improving the
levelness of the playing field) please give us all an indication of
how long this process might take as soon as possible so we know whether to delay
our experiments.





Ian
Mills, Crail Coastal Rowing Club
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everyone,</p>
<p>I<br />
generally agree with RowPorty&#8217;s safety concerns: </p>
<p>Whilst<br />
the safety implications of having fixed oars is not a great<br />
problem at the moment, I feel that in the future it may be.  In my<br />
limited experience of Coastal Rowing races, I have generally noticed<br />
that there is a frantic start (with a possibility of oar clashes in<br />
tricky conditions) after which the race soon becomes mostly a<br />
procession where there is only a fairly slim risk of bad clashes,<br />
even at buoy turns. However, I suspect that our club is not the only<br />
one which intends to spend less time at the back of the fleet next<br />
season and I predict that over the next few years that as standards<br />
improve, the fleet will compress significantly with a much greater<br />
risk of clashes, especially at buoy turns. In that situation, I would<br />
not want to be up against a crew with oars that do not ship readily.<br />
I hear what people say about how easy it is to &#8216;ship&#8217; the fixed oars,<br />
but I have doubts about how well this can and will be done in the<br />
&#8216;heat of battle&#8217;. Non fixed oars on the other hand would be much<br />
safer in every respect. I know of no other branch of rowing which<br />
uses completely fixed oars, probably for this reason.</p>
<p>I<br />
disagree greatly with the suggestion that &#8216;more competitively<br />
minded&#8217; rowers will loose interest if holding the oar at the<br />
correct gearing and pitch is made easier. As John has said, there are<br />
plenty more skills to improve in developing an efficient rowing<br />
stroke to keep us interested. I see no disadvantage whatsoever in<br />
making rowing &#8216;easier&#8217;. Although one member of our crack under 11<br />
squad did comment that he would find it harder to set a rhythm<br />
without the clonking sound of oar on kabe! (He will soon learn the<br />
joys of listening for the gentle splosh of a unified catch.)</p>
<p>Feathering<br />
– I personally think nothing should change here and it should be<br />
allowed where clubs wish to use it. (As in every other branch of<br />
rowing.)</p>
<p>It seems<br />
that next season many clubs intend changing to the pin/fixed oar<br />
system currently used by Coigach etc. I have been looking forward to<br />
using my own ingenuity to develop a system which has the benefit of<br />
the reduced friction of the pins, but still holds the oar at a fixed<br />
gearing and pitch whilst allowing the oars to be shipped when<br />
required. Ie: an adaption of the oars with stops (which are a<br />
substitute for the &#8216;buttons&#8217; described by Topher) which we already<br />
use with our kabes. It is this experimental aspect of the St Ayles<br />
Skiff that makes the whole thing so interesting.</p>
<p>I agree<br />
with the ethos that everything should be made of timber and hand<br />
crafted by  members of the clubs. Preferably with easily obtainable<br />
and affordable materials. </p>
<p>If there<br />
are likely to be restrictions imposed, (aimed at improving the<br />
levelness of the playing field) please give us all an indication of<br />
how long this process might take as soon as possible so we know whether to delay<br />
our experiments.</p>
<p>Ian<br />
Mills, Crail Coastal Rowing Club</p>
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